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Showing posts with label Interest Rates. Show all posts
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Monday, October 14, 2013

Reorganising bank selection advisory panel is a good governance imperative for the RBI!

Ramesh S Arunachalam

There is a common misconception that conflict of interest only arises if a person has done something improper. The answer is a big NO! Perception is a very critical aspect to the notion of conflict of interest

In the last few Moneylife articles, we have been talking about the issue of conflict of interest with regard to the recently appointed RBI financial inclusion committee and in this article I focus on the RBI banking selection advisory panel. At the outset, I would like to state that serious conflicts of interests exist because one of the members of the banking selection advisory panel, Dr Nachiket Mor, is also chair of the RBI financial inclusion committee which has two members who have directly applied for the banking licenses. Further, several members of the above mentioned RBI financial inclusion committee have a relationship to these and other banking license applicants. The key relationships have already been highlighted in the previous money life articles and the interested reader may refer to these for understanding the exact nature of the various conflicting relations -  RBI’s New Financial Inclusion Committee: Rife with conflicts of interests,  Does the RBI know how much conflicts of interest it has created? and Why should RBI immediately disband newly appointed Committee on Financial Inclusion?

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Friday, October 11, 2013

Why should RBI immediately disband newly appointed Committee on Financial Inclusion?

Ramesh S Arunachalam

Many of the past crisis situations can be linked to lax and laissez-faire regulatory and supervisory frameworks that had either been developed by industry insiders with commercial interests and/or been created with significant input from such insiders - both with a view to benefit the overall industry concerned!

Conflict of interest is an area of significant importance to regulatory ethics and this is something that the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) needs to note with urgency because there are significant conflicts of interest in the both the recently appointed financial inclusion committee as well as the banking selection advisory paneli. If not eliminated, they could spell disaster for the larger Indian financial sector. And this article is a means to record the above warning publicly!

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Friday, April 22, 2011

Effective Interest Rates and Other Practices in Indian Micro-Finance: It Is About Time That RBI Conducted A Nationwide Study

Ramesh S Arunachalam

Rural Finance Practitioner

The issue of interest rates has always been hotly debated and I, for one, am not for capping interest rates of MFIs as servicing the last mile in micro-finance is indeed costly. That said, we however need to be absolutely transparent about interest rates in micro-finance and here is where I really appreciate the work of MF Transparency. However, as I travel through the field, my sense has been that there is a huge difference between intended and realized interest rates (both for nominal and effective interest rates). Part of the issue has been the use of the agent led model but even otherwise, I believe that there are huge differences between the intended and realized interest rates and please also recall that the media (in AP) had reported huge effective interest rates for some MFIs, after they had submitted data to the AP government, which were later explained away using the classic data error/data conversion concept.

Please recall that the RPCD division of the RBI did a great study on interest rates and the MFI model in Orissa in 2006. Therefore, I would like the RBI to do a national study on interest rates, agent models, shared JLGs/clients, on-going/prevalent multiple lending and the like – unless, it is done by the RBI, establishing their prevalence would be impossible and without that, corrective action cannot be taken. I would also urge RBI to video record the data and documents so that, there is absolute transparency and clarity on the ground situation. Otherwise, the MF industry, will continue to be in a denial mode which is okay but will not help us tackle the problems at hand.

Please read the tables on interest rates at the end of this post, taken directly from the e mail sent by APMAS and being used with their permission. I did not put up the individual calculations earlier but am doing so now (after randomly verifying some of the data which have been correct) and I have the exact file sent by APMAS via its e mail for proof. While I am no expert on calculating interest rates, I have cross-checked the calculations and they seem correct prima facie, to the best of my knowledge. Experts globally can use the same data set and come to their own conclusions. As always, I have protected the individual identity of the MFIs as well as their clients but that is also available for verification by RBI or MoF if required

Before, I sign off, I would like to relate a story from the Wizard of The Id

There was a king who was at battle with the enemies and one day, he was sitting in his chamber, when a soldier walked in and said:

“Your highness, Sir Rodney has come in with the Battle Report”


The kind told the soldier:

“Send him inside”


Sir Rodney walked into the Kings Chamber and as he was doing so, the King told him:

“Before you start sniveling you mush face, let me remind you of an old Roman custom. Bearers of Good News were rewarded with Wine and Wealth. Bad News brought unmentionable suffering to the bearer. So what is the Battle Report”

Sir Rodney to The King:

“Your Highness, I am tickled pink to tell you that your worthless fiefdom, mucky swamplands and unruly peasants are now the Responsibility of the Enemy”

I hope that the moral of the story is clear and the Indian micro-finance industry and its stakeholders begin to act to rectify the fast eroding ground situation…

Have a Great Week End!















Tuesday, December 7, 2010

Understanding Micro-Finance Interest Rates: Some Fundamental Issues For The RBI Sub-Committee to Consider...

Ramesh S Arunachalam
Rural Finance Practitioner

There has been a lot of debate about interest rates in micro-finance and rightfully so and in this post I look at what I see as some of the fundamental issues in this debate...I hope the RBI sub-committee looks into the key issues highlighted here...

Let us start with the different costs that are incurred in delivering financial services to low income people. I see four major costs and they are:

1.      Transaction/Financial Costs[i] Institutions        =          TFC Institution          
2.      Transaction/Financial Costs[ii] Intermediary       =          TFC Intermediary
3.      Transaction/Financial Costs Clients            =          TFC Clients
4.      Transaction/Financial Costs Total             =          TFC Total


TFC Institutions   + TFC Intermediaries  + TFC Clients = TFC Total         (This is the Basic Equation)


Premise # 1 - Total Costs (TFC Total ) and Apportioned Costs(TFC Institutions   + TFC Intermediaries  + TFC Clients) of Delivery Will Vary Across Models, Contexts and Related Parameters: First, the total and apportioned costs will vary by:

ð   the model used - group versus individual, bank/MFI branch based Vs centre meeting based Vs agent based,
ð   the number of years in operation and life cycle stage of the different channel partners – the experience/learning curve aspect should reflect here,
ð   the economies of scale and scope available including aspects of fixed/variable costs – enhancing major product outreach to larger number of clients as well as offering them a range of other products as well,
ð   the trade-off between risk, efficiency and controls in deliveryefficiency can be gained by reducing controls by that level of risk will have to be tolerated,
ð   the product strategy - in terms of savings alone, credit alone, savings + credit + others including risk management products,
ð   the number of channel partners (or intermediaries) – this decision is very critical to the cost and more intermediaries should just the additional costs
ð   the strategic context - including clients, geography, etc,
ð   the basis for the competitive strategy - in terms of differentiation vs quality vs cost leadership (this can also be thought of the overall strategy of managing total costs) and other such factors

Thus, we have the following:

Total and Apportioned Costs of Financial Services Delivery to Low Income People = Function of Model Chosen, Life Cycle Stage and Age of Channel Partners, Economies of Scale and Scope Available, Trade-Off Between Risk, Efficiency and Controls, Product Strategy, Length of Channel, Strategic Context and Competitive Strategy

And we need to recognise that all of the above are INDEED strategic choices exercised by organisations, depending on various factors...

Therefore, we must understand that it would not be appropriate to expect all institutions to be able to deliver financial services to low income people at the same interest rate/level of fees.

That said, I am not arguing for any (high) level of interest/fees to be charged from low income people – all I am saying is that, we need to be sensitive to the fact that, it may not be possible for all different models to come under a specific SINGLE rate.

The most appropriate strategy here would be to get answers to the following question for a typology of contexts, models and related parameters:

1. “Given a typology of contexts, models and related parameters, what constitutes the optimal range of interest/fees that need to be charged from low income clients to fully cover total costs?”

The above critical aspect is best understood through the following example: For a Grameen MFI 36% could be the Full Cost as it is operating in a hilly and difficult terrain and providing doorstep services; For an SHG MFI B, 22% could be the full cost as it lends directly to SHGs and thereby is almost a semi-wholesaler; For SHG federations or Cooperatives, 18% could be the full cost because they accept deposits which are the cheapest source of non-subsidized capital and so on. [There numbers given above are merely illustrative and they can vary from context to context and model to model – so, please do not join issue with me on this. Thanks] 

The above strategy would also be fair approach in my opinion and the RBI Sub-Committee must try and recognise this, study this aspect[iii] and make recommendations accordingly. Please note that my FIRST emphasis is on understanding what the full (total and apportioned) costs are and this could be very different from full (total and apportioned) cost recovery (taken up next).

Now, with the total and apportioned costs – for different contexts, models and related parameters - that need to be charged for a full cost recovery out of the way, let us get to next aspect...how to recover these full costs?

Premise # 2 Full costs are Always Recovered As A Combination of Interest/Fees and Different Kinds of Subsidies: This is again a strategic choice aspect and different models do it differently. There are two major ways in which this cost recovery can be handled: a) Apportion the same across the institution, intermediaries and clients – this is a creative strategy as it transfers the costs from one stakeholder to another; and b) Decide on the extent to which costs will be actually recovered and balance will be subsized.  We will look at each of these issues separately.
          


As you can see above, the full (total and apportioned) costs comprise of two portions – Recovered and Unrecovered costs. And the Unrecovered Cost contains different types of subsidies – Direct, Cross, Indirect and Hidden Subsidies.

Therefore, in some sense, there is always full cost recovery through interest plus fees and a range of subsidies provided. This is a very critical aspect to note and much of the arguments over interest rates can be better understood, if this crucial aspect is noted.

Therefore, the second strategic choice entails decision making within the organisation on: a) the extent to which full (total and apportioned) costs are to be actually recovered; and b) the different kinds of subsidies that (need to be and) are provided to cover the balance portion of total costs minus recovered costs (i.e., interest plus fees etc).

The most appropriate strategy here would be to get answers to the following question for a typology of contexts, models and related parameters:

2. “Given a typology of models, contexts and related parameters, what is the proportion of costs that are actually recovered (from clients etc) and how are the balance (unrecovered) costs met through various subsidies?”

The above critical aspect is best understood through the following example: MFIs perhaps charge 24-36% or more, recover all/most costs and sometimes even have a surplus. Banks charge 12% and cross-subsidize costs; SHG federations or Cooperatives charge 24% and recover full costs and Government programs perhaps lend at 3-6%, with the major costs being subsidized. [There numbers given above are merely illustrative and they can vary from one organisation to another – so, please do not join issue with me on this. Thanks] 

So, from the above discussion, it is clear that in some organisations, the whole cost could be recovered where as in others, there is only partial cost recovery and the rest is perhaps subsidized. MFIs perhaps charge what they charge because they have less of subsidies and practice door step banking; Cooperatives and Community models perhaps charge what they do because of using local and low cost staff and community for various aspects and also have access to savings (which is the cheapest source of non-subsidized capital); Banks charge what they do because of the norms set by regulators and supervisors and manage the actual (unrecovered) costs differently through cross subsidies, outsourcing etc; and Governments directly subsidize clients and charge as low as they do for various reasons

To summarise, the aspect of transactions and financial costs primarily centres around strategic decision making that organizations make on the following basic aspects.  What brings diversity in terms of the costs is the strategic choice that organizations exercise with regard to the following basic decisions:

ð   Whom to Serve? – Clientele, especially, with decision making on whether to serve the poor, not-so-poor, excluded, included, men, women etc
ð   How Many Clients to Cater To? Where to Operate? And How to Expand? – Outreach, Geographic Dispersion and/or Growth Strategy (Incremental, Quantum etc)
ð   What Specific Services to offer to the clients? – Products (financial intermediation encompasses a large number of products and combinations there of)
ð   What Methods of Service Delivery to Employ? – How to organize these channels like Groups, Individuals etc and their Tasks/Roles and outsourcing if any and the implications there of
ð   What Organizational Mechanisms to Use? – Legal/Institutional Forms
ð   How to Communicate the Availability of Various Services? - Promotion
ð   What the Medium/Long Term Objectives Are? – Single versus Double versus Triple bottom  lines?

And while, as noted earlier, full costs are always recovered from various sources, the strategic choices exercised to above questions result in some models choosing to recover costs fully from clients whereas other models may recover these partially from clients and cover the balance through different subsidies.

Therefore, it is humbly submitted to the RBI sub-committee that interest rates should NOT be viewed in rigid terms. They must be understood in terms of their broader context and its implications in terms of full cost recovery from clients versus partial cost recovery from clients plus subsidies. However, at the end of the day, there must be sufficient justification for pursuing either of the above strategies and that must be ascertained and understood...

And it goes without saying that, without understanding the above issues, condemning seemingly normal interest rates (I am sure we can discern exhorbitant interest rates straight away)  charged by institutions would be rather unfair and perhaps even unjustified...and it is sincerely hoped that decisions on (regulating) interest rates would be made only after undertaking a rigorous national study...encompassing alternative models in various contexts...and bench marking a range of interest rates for different contexts and models...And that alone will bring the interest rate controversy to its logical conclusion…

Tomorrow: Examples of how organisation’s reduce/transfer their (apportioned) costs including transactions costs






[i] Includes financial costs plus operational costs, loan loss provisions plus inflation adjustment etc
[ii] Same as above
[iii] I will also try and outline the methodology, for under taking such a study, to determine full costs for different models, in a separate post.

Thursday, December 2, 2010

Why Banking is Not Treated as Usury and How RBI Can (in Legal Sense) Ensure that Micro-Finance is Also Not Treated As Usury in India?

Ramesh S Arunachalam
Rural Finance Practitioner

Recently, a good friend of mine, who is also a senior and respected colleague in the Indian micro-finance sector, asked me, how can we ensure that micro-finance is not treated as usury? Something he further said made me very curious – when banking does not attract this usury argument, why should micro-finance, which also uses predominantly bank funds (under PSL), be treated as usury?

I was determined to understand why and here is what I found in my research trail…as compiled from various sources and court judgments...

Banking is subject to the exclusive legislative competence of the Union. Entry 45, List I reads thus,
 “45. Banking”

a)      In earlier times, courts used to have the power to reopen banking transactions on grounds of excessive interest or substantial unfairness between the parties. This power was traceable to Section 3(1) of the Usurious Loans Act, 1918, which read as follows,

“3. Re-opening of transaction. –
(1)   Notwithstanding anything in the Usury Laws Repeal Act, 1855 (28 of 1855), where, in any suit to which this Act applies, whether heard ex parte or otherwise, the Court has reason to believe,
(a)   that the interest is excessive; and
(b)   that the transaction was, as between the parties thereto substantially unfair,
the Court may exercise all or any of the following powers, namely may,-

                                                               i.      re-open the transaction, take an account between the parties and relieve the debtor of all liability in respect of any excessive interest;
                                                             ii.      notwithstanding any agreement, purporting to close previous dealings and to create a new obligation, re-open any account already taken between them and relieve the debtor of all liability in respect of any – excessive interest, and if anything has been paid or allowed in account or in respect of such liability, order the creditor to repay any sum which it considers to be repayable in respect thereof;
                                                            iii.      set aside either wholly or in part or revise or alter any security given or agreement made in respect of any loan, and if the creditor has parted with the security, order him to indemnify the debtor in such manner and to such extent as it may deem just:

Provided that, in the exercise of these powers, the Court shall not
a.      re-open any agreement purporting to close previous dealings and to create a new obligation which has been entered into by the parties or any persons from whom they claim at a date more than twelve years from the date of the transaction;
b.      do anything which affects any decree of a Court.

Explanation: In the case of a suit brought on a series of transactions the expression "the transaction" means, for the purposes of proviso (i), the first of such transactions.

b)      There are a number of cases where the Usurious Loans Act has been used by courts to examine loans that were unfair or excessive and relieve the debtor of liability [See, for example, Dayawati AIR 1966 SC 1423, Srinivasa Vardachariar AIR 1967 SC 412 and C. T. George AIR 1975 Ker 169].

c)      However, in 1984, The Indian Parliament enacted an amendment to the Banking Regulation Act, 1949, to insert a new Section 21A to bar the jurisdiction of courts to examine banking debt transactions on the grounds of excessive interest. Section 21A reads as follows,

“21-A. Rates of interest charged by banking companies not to be subject to scrutiny by courts. Notwithstanding anything contained in the Usurious Loans Act, 1918 (10 of 1918), or any other law relating to indebtedness in force in any State, a transaction between a banking company and its debtor shall not be reopened by any Court on the ground that the rate of interest charged by the banking company in respect of such transaction is excessive.”

d)      Section 21A of the Banking Regulation Act overrides Section 3 of the Usurious Loans and, therefore, courts can no longer reopen usurious loan transactions [See, Section 3 of the Usurious Loans Act; and, Yasangi Venkateshwara Rao (1999) 2 SCC 375, N. M. Veerappa (1998) 2 SCC 317, Koramsetty Venkateswarlu AIR 1986 AP 290 and Advath Sakru AIR 1994 AP 170].

Now what can be done with regard to Micro-finance?

I am no legal expert and therefore, I would caution you in using the following information…Nonetheless, to the best of my knowledge, it seems that, in the absence of any directive by the Government of India, here is what could be done by The RBI to ensure that the aspect of usury does not affect micro-finance transactions...in their day to day operations…Read On

e)      In the absence relevant Union directive, recourse may be had to the regulatory powers of the Reserve Bank of India (RBI). The RBI is vested with the power to regulate all banking in the country. That is clear for all of us…

f)        In exercising its regulatory powers, the RBI may issue circulars or directions to banks which the latter are bound to comply with [See, Sections 21(3) and 35A(1) of the Banking Regulation Act; and, Canara Bank (1998) 6 SCC 526 and Central Bank of India (2002) 1 SCC 367].

g)      The circulars of the RBI under sections 21 and 35A of the Banking Regulation Act are of statutory effect [See, Canara Bank (1998) 6 SCC 526 and Central Bank of India (2002) 1 SCC 367].

h)      In the exercise of its regulatory/statutory powers, the RBI can thus specify that all loans provided to low income people (through various direct and intermediate channels and using PSL funds) are indeed ‘Banking’ transactions. This will prevent usury laws from being used against loans to low income people. Thus, all loans to Low Income People, irrespective of intermediary will become equivalent of ‘Banking Transactions’ and therefore, not attract same treatment under the usury laws…

I hope the relevant authorities examine this matter and take suitable action to help safeguard micro-finance from the usury laws…as they are and should be in the realm of banking…without questions, that is where micro-finance belongs...

Wednesday, November 17, 2010

Effective Interest Rates in Andhra Pradesh: Results from an April 2010 Study…

Ramesh S Arunachalam

Rural Finance Practitioner

Sometime in October 2010, I heard that APMAS had done a study on effective interest rates in AP. I approached APMAS for a copy of the study report mainly for two reasons: because in my opinion, APMAS had done an objective study on the past Krishna district crisis in AP and further, as an organisation, it carries high credibility. I got this Excel file titled – MFI_Loan_data_consolidation_rev[i] – from them. At the outset, I would like to thank them and also clarify that what is being posted is from the Excel File sent by APMAS and the same is available for verification, if required and after permissions are granted by APMAS[ii]

Having set the above context, let us now move forward to the study on effective interest rates, conducted by APMAS, in 8 clusters in Andhra Pradesh in April 2010 among 53 borrowers with 70 loans (as per details given in the excel sheet). Please recall that I had posted the various details of the study yesterday from the perspective of multiple lending – this post looks at the aspect of effective interest rates, as per the same study.

Let me recap the study details before moving on to the aspect of effective interest rates

A)     The study was carried out in 8 Clusters and The Name of Clusters, as Mentioned in the APMAS Sheet were: KamareddyCluster - Kamareddy mandal  (DurgaBhavani SHG of Sarampalli Village), Parigi Cluster - Sulthanpur Village, LBNagar, Aluru Cluster - Aluru Mandal, Gunthakal Cluster -  Uravakonda Mandal, ODC Cluster - Nallacheruvu Mandal, Piler Cluster - Rompicharla Mandal and Kamareddy Cluster -  Domakonda Mandal (Janagama, Muthyampet villages)

B)     The total number of members as given in the MAIN MFI Loan Consolidation APMAS Sheet were 53 Members and they had taken 70 loans (1.32 loans per member) in all

C)    The total loan amount (as mentioned in the APMAS Sheet) to all 53 members in 70 loans was Rs. 936,000

D)    The Effective Interest Rates[iii], as was mentioned in the APMAS sheet, were in the Following Ranges

EIR Range in %

Number of Loans
Less than 25% EIR (Effective Interest Rate)
0 Loans
25 – 30% EIR
13 Loans
30 % - < 35% EIR
41 Loans
35 % - < 40% EIR
10 Loans
40% - < 45% EIR
4 Loans
45 – < 50% EIR
No Loans
50 - < 55% EIR
No Loans
55 - < 60% EIR
1 Loan
60 - < 80% EIR
No Loan
80 - < 85% EIR
1 Loan
All Ranges of EIR
70 Loans


a.   What does all of this mean? First, let us be happy that most of the loans are in the 30 – 35% range (41 loans), which even though on the higher side as compared to what we pay as interest, is still perhaps reflective of the higher cost of servicing micro-finance clients at their doorstep.  And we hope that, with scale and time, the rates would come down…
b.   That said, at the same time, as Mr Nimal Fernando said in a DFN e Group posting, it becomes very important to look at the cost side of the sustainability equation and see how costs can be reduced and the (resulting efficiency) benefit passed on fully to the customer. For too long, we have said that MFIs can charge any sustainable rate, without looking at whether or not inefficiencies are being passed on to the customers and whether or not borrowers can actually afford to absorb these. This is a very crucial aspect that needs to be remembered
c.   That there are 13 loans in the 25- 30% EIR bracket is very welcome and means that, some of the MFIs are indeed trying to become more and more competitive, because of their scale and size of operations. They are also trying to pass on the benefits to their customers
d.   That there are 14 loans in the 35 – 45% EIR bracket shows that there is significant scope for generating further efficiencies (for the concerned MFIs) but it appears that barring a few exceptions, many of these loans are from MFIs that are still growing and it will be some time before they reach scale and are able to reduce their interest rates
e.   A last point requires clarification with added emphasis. There are two outlier[iv] loans – one with EIR between 55 – 60% (58.63%) and another with EIR between 80 – 85% (82.50%). These are alarming no doubt and if the data in the APMAS study (MFI Loan Consolidation Sheet and other records) is a true representation of the (wider) grass-roots reality, then, the situation seems rather serious - especially, coming in the backdrop of statements by many MFIs that they do not charge high Effective Interest rates (EIR).

This needs to be closely looked into by the micro-finance industry and regulators/other stakeholders concerned. Such a study has to be done in a rigorous and objective manner (without any conflict of interest) and also looking at the issue of mark-ups, penalties and/or penal interest being charged on the ground (perhaps in an unauthorised manner). The fact that some MFIs use the decentralised model including agents, it would certainly be worthwhile to see if the rates charged on the ground indeed match[v] with those stated by the MFIs or are there local mark-ups and/or collections towards interest (in an unauthorised manner). Again, not to sound like a broken record, if accurate and widespread, such effective interest rates as seen with the outliers, could INDEED wreak havoc in the lives of the borrowers and also undermine the very purpose of Micro-Finance in India – without question, we as an industry need to prevent it in the future

In summary, the results of the above study, if they are an ACCURATE representation of widespread reality, certainly call for an objective and rigorous ground level study by the RBI directly and it must try to conclusively determine what actual effective rates of interest are (including any local mark-ups, penal interest, penalties etc) being charged by MFIs from their borrowers on the ground… This is an issue that is certainly worthy of immediate analysis and research by the RBI...and its Sub-Committee looking into the micro-finance aspect…


[i] File was named, MFI Loan Consolidation Rev and was apparently created 24th April 2010 and the main sheet is called MFI loan consolidation. There was a 2nd sheet with the name MFI Loan consolidation 2 and that was not used as it appeared to be a copy sheet created and used for various analysis.
[ii] Copy of e mail is available with attachment and can be shared, if required and appropriate, after taking necessary permissions from APMAS. I can forward the same for verification, if APMAS gives permission
[iii] The writer verified the effective interest calculations in the APMAS sheet and the figures match in all except 4 cases, where the APMAS calculation is lower by about 1.5% than the author calculated EIRs. However, the writer uses only the APMAS calculations as he is mainly reporting on the APMAS study and also the differences exist for just 4 loans and they are, at best, called as marginal. It should be noted that the APMAS EIR and author calculated EIR match for 66 loans. I have refrained from posting the individual loan data, for the moment, to protect the privacy of the clients as well as the concerned MFIs. I reserve my right to do so in the future, in case, it can help the clients and/or the micro-finance industry
[iv] I am merely reporting what is there in the APMAS excel file and MFI consolidation sheet. The same can be DIRECTLY forwarded – just as I received it - for verification, if required. Prima facie, the numbers for the outlier loans appear to be internally consistent and there seems no error on the face of the data for these loans from an internal consistency perspective. However, whether they represent wider ground level reality needs to be better understood.
[v] The point that I am making here is that MFIs could be charging appropriate rates but they may not have the requisite systems and controls to ensure that the same is implemented in the field, especially, with burgeoning growth and greater decentralisation…This needs to be looked into…carefully.